New Chronograph, Garmin Xero C1 Pro

vlavalle said:

Kudos to you on your WW II rifles! I am a VERY big WW II buff, and on my website I have listed over 20 WW II books, and another 20 or so WW II video documentaries to watch. I am so upset with the US military to move off of the 30-06 round, and the .45 ACP pistol. The move to the M16 and 9mm pistol is a very poor one, since they both shoot pea shooter ammo! We have lost both wars (those that are mainly land based with troops) ever since they went to the M16.

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contender said:

Well, I've been handloading for over 45 years now. And LONG ago,, I scrimped, saved & then purchased an Ohler 35P chronograph. I've never regretted it. I still have it, and it's still a top quality product.

Well, last year I started seeing some info about the new Garmin XERO chrono. After a bit of study,, I decided I'd like to try one. Miss Penny tried to get me one for Christmas,, but they were selling so fast,, she wasn't able to get one. Then a few weeks ago,,I began building new ammo for a new caliber & gun for my DIL. An AR-15 pistol in .300 Blackout. I knew the AR pistol would not produce the same velocities as a normal length barrel, and knew I'd have to get my chrono out & set up.
Well, Miss Penny & I were discussing what I was doing,, and she asked me if I wanted my B-Day present early. We went to Cabelas,, and she bought me the Garmin.

Last Sunday,, I took it out for it's first run. I shot my MKII Comp Target .22 as a "test run" gun. Flawless. Then I tested the .300 Blackout stuff, and it again showed me how easy it was.

Yesterday,, a friend, Danny came over & he wanted to test some ammo. He had a NIB Caldwell chrono. We set his up first,, and then, I set up the Garmin as well.
To paraphrase wrestling; "It was a serious smackdown!"

The Garmin was super easy to set up & use. No skyscreens, no wires, no battery issues, no alignment of the skyscreens, nothing. Just turn it on, set the parameters, and set it beside the gun & shoot. It records the stuff, calculates several things, and if you have it paired with your smart phone,, it saves ALL the individual sessions for printing.

Danny was writing down his velocities after each shot as they passed over his Caldwell. He didn't have his set up to pair with his phone,, and wasn't able to get anything more than each velocity. No high, no low, no average, no standard deviation,,,, nothing but his velocity & he had to physically record that. Now,, to be fair,, I think his Caldwell may be capable of doing more,, but since he didn't bring the batteries for part of it,, and had never used it or tried to pair it up etc,, he didn't get anything else.

After each session of identical ammo was fired,, I'd take the Garmin, pick it up, do the summary, and set it on the table where he could write down the info. Then I'd put it back up beside the gun & start the next session.

While this is only the second time I've used it,, AND the fact I'm "computer stupid" and have issues often trying to understand modern technology & all the "features" a single button does,, the Garmin is actually more user friendly than I expected. Even I,, as bad as I am about such electronic stuff,, was able to easily work the Garmin. THAT'S a miracle!!!!!!! ( Just ask Miss Penny!)

So,, if any of y'all are considering a chronograph,,, I'd look very hard at the Garmin.

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contender said:

Well, I've been handloading for over 45 years now. And LONG ago,, I scrimped, saved & then purchased an Ohler 35P chronograph. I've never regretted it. I still have it, and it's still a top quality product.

Well, last year I started seeing some info about the new Garmin XERO chrono. After a bit of study,, I decided I'd like to try one. Miss Penny tried to get me one for Christmas,, but they were selling so fast,, she wasn't able to get one. Then a few weeks ago,,I began building new ammo for a new caliber & gun for my DIL. An AR-15 pistol in .300 Blackout. I knew the AR pistol would not produce the same velocities as a normal length barrel, and knew I'd have to get my chrono out & set up.
Well, Miss Penny & I were discussing what I was doing,, and she asked me if I wanted my B-Day present early. We went to Cabelas,, and she bought me the Garmin.

Last Sunday,, I took it out for it's first run. I shot my MKII Comp Target .22 as a "test run" gun. Flawless. Then I tested the .300 Blackout stuff, and it again showed me how easy it was.

Yesterday,, a friend, Danny came over & he wanted to test some ammo. He had a NIB Caldwell chrono. We set his up first,, and then, I set up the Garmin as well.
To paraphrase wrestling; "It was a serious smackdown!"

The Garmin was super easy to set up & use. No skyscreens, no wires, no battery issues, no alignment of the skyscreens, nothing. Just turn it on, set the parameters, and set it beside the gun & shoot. It records the stuff, calculates several things, and if you have it paired with your smart phone,, it saves ALL the individual sessions for printing.

Danny was writing down his velocities after each shot as they passed over his Caldwell. He didn't have his set up to pair with his phone,, and wasn't able to get anything more than each velocity. No high, no low, no average, no standard deviation,,,, nothing but his velocity & he had to physically record that. Now,, to be fair,, I think his Caldwell may be capable of doing more,, but since he didn't bring the batteries for part of it,, and had never used it or tried to pair it up etc,, he didn't get anything else.

After each session of identical ammo was fired,, I'd take the Garmin, pick it up, do the summary, and set it on the table where he could write down the info. Then I'd put it back up beside the gun & start the next session.

While this is only the second time I've used it,, AND the fact I'm "computer stupid" and have issues often trying to understand modern technology & all the "features" a single button does,, the Garmin is actually more user friendly than I expected. Even I,, as bad as I am about such electronic stuff,, was able to easily work the Garmin. THAT'S a miracle!!!!!!! ( Just ask Miss Penny!)

So,, if any of y'all are considering a chronograph,,, I'd look very hard at the Garmin.

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contender said:

"But $600 is WAY too steep."

That's why I really like having my better half buy it. It was my early B-Day present!

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m1a_scoutguy said:

My buddy had one at the range a month or so ago and showed me how it worked and after a few shots I was ruined!! I came home that night and bought one. I have a Caldwell and while it works great its a pain! Only bonus is it came with LED lights so I can use it inside at our indoor range,I have NOT tried the Garmin inside but will soon. I bought mine for $591.78 shipped. If your a Vet/LEO etc go here and sign up its worth it. It shows in Stock now.

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ConstableAW said:

My son works for Garmin. This last year the wife and I were trying to decide what each of us wanted for Christmas gifts. We always pick out our own gifts. Well she wanted a Garmin Fish Finder/gps and I wanted the Garmin Chronograph. We contacted our son and gave him our credit card number so he could make a purchase for us. He told me Garmin hadn't considered the demand for their new chronograph thus the short supplies. When they were being sold out as fast as could be made, they stepped up production. I was amazed at how easy to use it. I even showed some of the fellows at the shooting range and helped them on testing loads. The one fellow said he was going to purchase one as soon as he hit town.

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DBnoise said:

I have something your son can send up the latter. I had called their customer support, I was impressed, Top notch knowledge the CSR had. Made some suggestions to them and the gentleman was very honest with this chronograph being their first entry into shooting analytics.
Their chronograph is excellent and always room for improvement. I hope in a gen2 version they have voice in the app for velocity . I like to hear my velocity as I am shooting so I don't have to alter my shooting position during a string of fire by taking my eyes off the target. That way I know if my velocity is changing and the cause may be too fast for a string or other things I determine. I want it real-time. My DLX spoiled me.

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vlavalle said:

I am looking into getting a chronograph, so how much was this one? I shoot revolvers - .357 Mag, .38 Spec. .45 ACP, and .45 LC. So, I would like to verify the specs the manufacturer gives. I have a very elaborate ballistics file, with over 3,500 entries, covering 35 handgun and 25 rifle calibers, all with their ballistics info. Some ammo manufactures I tend to not believe, like Armscor. My guns are 5 1/2, 6.0, and 6 1/2" barrels. I only shoot at an outdoor range.

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DBnoise said:

I have something your son can send up the latter. I had called their customer support, I was impressed, Top notch knowledge the CSR had. Made some suggestions to them and the gentleman was very honest with this chronograph being their first entry into shooting analytics.
Their chronograph is excellent and always room for improvement. I hope in a gen2 version they have voice in the app for velocity . I like to hear my velocity as I am shooting so I don't have to alter my shooting position during a string of fire by taking my eyes off the target. That way I know if my velocity is changing and the cause may be too fast for a string or other things I determine. I want it real-time. My DLX spoiled me.

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