Tyrone you have a better insight into this than a lot of people. Mental illness is not to be taken lightly and in some cases it can be devastating to many families just because they had a loved one become a victim to the actions of the person acting out.
Parents FINALLY held accountable.
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Yes, it would be nice if the families of cops who assault, shot, kill citizens were thrown in jail also.I have mentioned before that I have rarely seen what happens to the parents of children who have access to firearms and bad things happen. I finally ran across one of these rare occurences in the news.
James Crumbley, father of Ethan Crumbley, found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in son's school shooting
Crumbley was charged in connection with son Ethan's 2021 school shooting at Oxford High School in Michigan. His wife, Jennifer, was convicted on the same charge.www.nbcnews.com
In fact, the Middle Eastern practice of killing the entire extended family makes sense now.
Let us hope that entire neighborhoods would be wiped out for the bad behavior of one child.
"It takes a village", you know! Punish them all! (Yeah, that's the ticker)
Legally Responsible?
First, it appears the difference between Civil and Criminal are lost on you.
Second, it appears that the way the law works is lost on you.
So, a child kills and the parents should be executed? That's not only barbaric but totally Leftist.
June Cleaver didn't dress to the nines and wear pearls while cleaning the toilet. She dressed to the nines and wore pearls while telling Ward to clean the toilet.
contender
Ruger Guru
hike,, you missed the word; "often" in my legally responsible comment. I never said always. In NC,, when we purchase a firearm,, we are REQUIRED to sign a statement that says we understand it's illegal to allow a minor unauthorized access to a firearm. This put the legal responsibility upon us as well as the child if a criminal act is committed.
We do not have a similar legal requirement when it comes to knives or other dangerous objects.
And lest you think I'm "lost" as to the differences in Civil vs Criminal,, I can assure you,, I'm well versed in the differences. I have a long history of association with law enforcement, (good ways,, not as a criminal,) with LEO's in the family, and my wife used to work as a Paralegal in a lawyer's office. I can only relate to more direct knowledge of NC law,, vs other states. And the state where these parents were convicted may well have DIFFERENT laws that allowed them to be charged & later convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
And as far as I know,, nobody has charged them with any crime that has a penalty of death. Where your comment about executing the parents for the acts of their minor child comes from is a bit bewildering.
Again,, I do not know the laws where these parents were charged. I was not on the jury. I did not get the legal instructions given by the judge to the jury as to what or how they can decide the fate of the parents. I can only say that the legal system allowed the charges,, and these parents were convicted by a jury of their peers.
Now,, I've made my thoughts known and I appreciate Watertender's kind words about understanding the mental health angle. Having a beautiful granddaughter turn away from a loving family, only to involve herself in behavior that is and will be nothing but detrimental to her life is heartbreaking.
I'll no longer engage in any discussion about this subject,, way too volatile obviously.
We do not have a similar legal requirement when it comes to knives or other dangerous objects.
And lest you think I'm "lost" as to the differences in Civil vs Criminal,, I can assure you,, I'm well versed in the differences. I have a long history of association with law enforcement, (good ways,, not as a criminal,) with LEO's in the family, and my wife used to work as a Paralegal in a lawyer's office. I can only relate to more direct knowledge of NC law,, vs other states. And the state where these parents were convicted may well have DIFFERENT laws that allowed them to be charged & later convicted of involuntary manslaughter.
And as far as I know,, nobody has charged them with any crime that has a penalty of death. Where your comment about executing the parents for the acts of their minor child comes from is a bit bewildering.
Again,, I do not know the laws where these parents were charged. I was not on the jury. I did not get the legal instructions given by the judge to the jury as to what or how they can decide the fate of the parents. I can only say that the legal system allowed the charges,, and these parents were convicted by a jury of their peers.
Now,, I've made my thoughts known and I appreciate Watertender's kind words about understanding the mental health angle. Having a beautiful granddaughter turn away from a loving family, only to involve herself in behavior that is and will be nothing but detrimental to her life is heartbreaking.
I'll no longer engage in any discussion about this subject,, way too volatile obviously.
Colonialgirl
Hawkeye
OBVIOUSLY you dont know Contender and have NOT A CLUE on the subject.
I second that!
bigbillyboy
Buckeye
They deserved the prison time , I didn't follow this case much . .But after hearing the evidence of the young man's texts , the parents should have got the full 15 years 
They ignored his crying out for help ....... And the father is still is not accepting blame .....
They ignored his crying out for help ....... And the father is still is not accepting blame .....
When my son was young I had a hand safe cable locked to my bed which had a combination that would lock you out after three incorrect password entries thereafter requiring the key to open it. I told my son that if I ever found my safe was tampered with and I needed to use my key to open it I was going to beat the crap out of him and call DCS so they could take him away and find someone else to take care of him.
My safe was never touched
When I was a kid my dad kept his hunting rifles under his bed and gave me a similar warning to the one I gave my son except he added "after he beat the crap out of me AND if I survived" he'd call the child protective service.
I only touched his guns when we were target shooting or hunting.
My safe was never touched
When I was a kid my dad kept his hunting rifles under his bed and gave me a similar warning to the one I gave my son except he added "after he beat the crap out of me AND if I survived" he'd call the child protective service.
I only touched his guns when we were target shooting or hunting.
don't leave your baseball laying around your house, you room mate will open you up for lable....gramma and grandpa that bought the bat... co-conspirters
No she didn't. She ASKED Ward to clean the toilet.
bigbillyboy
Buckeye
Read up on this tragedy , the kid showed all types of warning signs . He asked his dad to take him to see a doctor . The father have him some pills and told him to " man up " . If that is not negligence I don't know what is .
This case was pretty extreme, in both the negligence of the parents and the seriousness of the boy's actions. But in general I have a great deal of sympathy for the parents of delinquent children. My youngest son, whom we adopted when our four natural children were already of college age or older, had some real challenges in his high school years. He dropped out of school, got involved with drugs, and more than a bit involved in minor criminal activity. We tried everything we could from counseling, to expensive child psychiartry , to inpatient drug rehab, etc, etc. Nothing seem to have much impact on his self destructive and risky behavior. Fortunately he matured enough to get through this part of his life without endling up dead or in prison. He is now 30, married, an experienced welder supporting a family of three young boys. The lesson here is that even when the parents do what they can, it is no guarantee that the child will not become someone that inflicts great harm upon others and society. Sometimes there is just no good solution nor rationale for blaming the parents for the sins of the child.
Quite the slippery slope. The parent's criminal conviction for the actions of another open up all kinds of things for more governmental tampering and mischief. The precedent set here lends itself to more laws requiring "safe storage", zero gun handling for minors, mandatory insurance requirements, guns that only fire for the owner (biometrics), and who knows what else.
In fact, charging the parents for the crimes of their child totally supports the concept of reparations - that someone can be charged for the crimes or sins of another.
The parents were bad parents. The kid was nuts. The system dropped the ball. Plenty of blame to go around.
But be careful what you wish for. This case is the poster child for red flag laws.
In fact, charging the parents for the crimes of their child totally supports the concept of reparations - that someone can be charged for the crimes or sins of another.
The parents were bad parents. The kid was nuts. The system dropped the ball. Plenty of blame to go around.
But be careful what you wish for. This case is the poster child for red flag laws.
he was 18yo. he puller the trigger. he responsible. with thinking like that, the baseball bat your grandparents bought you in 1972 is now hanging over your head when someone uses it to kill someone. finally, we are a country of individuals, with individual rights, with them rights comes individual responsibility. NOT someone else's. regardless of or is your family members
. Mr. DS
On a related note ….. some months ago a SIX year old took mommy's gun to school and shot his teacher. I think the mom got a criminal charge of not having the gun secured,
Here's the charges for the former Vice Principal of the school.
www.foxnews.com
Here's the charges for the former Vice Principal of the school.
Virginia school assistant principal faces charges after 6-year-old shot teacher
Ebony parker, a former assistant principal at Richneck Elementary School, faces criminal charges in the case of a 6-year-old who brought a gun to school and shot teacher Abigail Zwerner.
Oxford High School shooting - Wikipedia
….. Ethan Robert Crumbley, age 15, armed with a 9mm semi-automatic handgun, murdered four students and injured seven people, including a teacher. Authorities
