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If truth be known this happens to new low round Redhawks !

& you`ll pry my Redhawk from my cold dead fingers as I lay on a pile of empty brass !!!

My Hunter is approching 10,000 rnds ????
 

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bigbill said:
I think we need a class action law suit against ruger for there poor quality after all we purchased them in good faith as a quality product. Will you trust it when you need to rely on it with your life on the line? Will you think what if every time we pull the trigger? This is not good and we need to band together on this one. I'm like done with rugers. I'll buy the S&W's from now on. Bill
Happy trails!! Good luck in your new perfect world!! :D
 

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Donaldjr1969 said:
Dan, Smiths are not immune to barrel failures either. Would that prevent me from owning a Smith? Not at all! Heck, despite all the bad press with Toyotas over the supposed runaway acceleration issues, I would not have a problem owning one at all.

Donald,

I'm not sure you read what I'd written, or understood its context. I was chiding a member for telling us he was done with Rugers and was going to stick with S&Ws. I understand your post, but not its relevance to what I wrote.

Regards

Dan
 
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Donaldjr1969 said:
Dan, Smiths are not immune to barrel failures either. Would that prevent me from owning a Smith? Not at all! Heck, despite all the bad press with Toyotas over the supposed runaway acceleration issues, I would not have a problem owning one at all.

Go ahead and send your money to Japan don't want to hear you complain about the economy. ps
 
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I have a RedHawk it is '86 vintage. Many many rounds through it never actually keep track. In the thousands I'm sure. Never missed a beat love it! Had the trigger slicked up maybe 15 years ago a real fine shooter. I would never sell it one of my old stand by's :D ps
 

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DanChamberlain said:
Donaldjr1969 said:
Dan, Smiths are not immune to barrel failures either. Would that prevent me from owning a Smith? Not at all! Heck, despite all the bad press with Toyotas over the supposed runaway acceleration issues, I would not have a problem owning one at all.

Donald,

I'm not sure you read what I'd written, or understood its context. I was chiding a member for telling us he was done with Rugers and was going to stick with S&Ws. I understand your post, but not its relevance to what I wrote.

Regards

Dan
Dan, I probably worded it wrong and should have replied to the member rather than you. It would have made more sense. I too was trying to support your statement. I guess I worded it in a way that would have made more sense having been spoken with three people together in the same room.
 

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powder smoke said:
Donaldjr1969 said:
Dan, Smiths are not immune to barrel failures either. Would that prevent me from owning a Smith? Not at all! Heck, despite all the bad press with Toyotas over the supposed runaway acceleration issues, I would not have a problem owning one at all.

Go ahead and send your money to Japan don't want to hear you complain about the economy. ps
Powder, I'm unemployed due to outsourcing so I will not argue with what you mean. My point was, country of origin aside, many people were avoiding Toyota because of a extremely small percentage of problems. And some of the instances could not even be verified. I merely wished to try to prove a point that with such an extremely low failure rate on anything, I would not have any problems owning it. That could apply to a Toyota, a Ruger Redhawk, a Smith & Wesson Model 67, etc. The odds are in my favor.

As for a Toyota Camry, well I see it this way. Yes, it is a Japanese owned corporation. However, the cars are built at two American assembly plants. That keeps American workers on the job. My criteria for such a purchase, be it a car or a revolver, is the country of assembly. My previous car, a Ford Escort ZX2, was assembled in Hermosillo, Mexico. And it also had a domestic parts content of 55 to 58 percent. How is that any more American than the aforementioned Camry that is assembled in the USA with an 80% domestic parts content? Heck, the Camry has a higher parts content than my 2005 Cavalier which stands around 73 to 77 percent. So in my opinion, where the products are assembled, as well as domestic parts content, is most important to me because that keeps more Americans at work.

Sig Sauer is a European company. Yet it would not stop me from buying a P290, which is made in New York State.
 

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Come on guys were all in the same boat together and you don't feel like i do too? Sorry for the rant. Plus we need to besafe too. The gun can be replaced but we can. I don't like it when were in danger too. So far no one has been hurt right?

Another things is some guys shoot there guns more than others. I'm sure some just collect and don't shoot that much. I'm hoping to shoot more often now that i'm retired and have more time to shoot.

I once thought i had the best revolver ever made with the redhawk next to the super red/super black in 44mag.

Now your saying its only the newer round ones that are having problems now? Is there any pics that shows the difference between the two models? My older brother passed away over 10 years ago and he left me another redhawk in 44mag w/7 1/2" barrel. Its brand new and has only been to the range once being this old is it a round one as you guys are saying. Bill

I will never complain about the ecomony, I never asked why me when i got laid off back in the 80's too then i retired at 52yo in 2002 and i have three incomes comming in right now i'm golden so don't worry about me complaining. My point is you shuold get a RIA or 410k and slam it now putting every extra dollar you can afford in it. When you get older like me it will pay off. But i do purchase the best quality product for my hard earned dollar and i don't care who makes it our where it comes from but it has to be the best quality product thats available right now. I can't afford to purchase the samething over and over because of poor quality(redhawk). I'm not rich but i'm breaking even and nowadays thats good too. And i do feel bad for the ones who are still in the workforce these recessions suck.

Subaru's assembled here, John deere made in Japan, were a service country now like clean the bathroom, add toilet paper, serve food,cook food, wash cars. My point is we will not manufacture anything here and only our babies will be made here. I worked for a top 10 engineering group in the USA and we designed and tested new products plus did life testing too. We designed it here in the USA and it went to one of our sister companies across the pond to be manufactured. Our brains there muscle. We have sister divisions in every country around the globe. We just built a very large plant in Brazil. Its so big we don't have the work to operate it at 100%. Now the mexicans are here taking the lower pay jobs. Thank god for them because most americans on that level don't want to work. I quit high school to go to work because i got tired of picking up 5 cent bottles to return them to buy a loaf of bread at 16yo. We either worked or went without it was up to us and still is too.

BTW; Don't give me the buy american BS, where was everyone when i lost my job in '83, again in '84, and again in '85??? I only worked 3 months per year in those three years so i worked only 9 months for three years because of the lower priced imported machine tools. I was a machine builder/erector. I been there thru the worst times and no one gave a crap about it back then. No one was there when my unemployment checks ran out too. Did you know they count the people on unemployment but don't see the number of people when there benifits runout. These people aren't figured in exactly into the unemployment ratings. The ratings should be much higher even today. These people don't fall off the end of the planet there still out there. Then we call it recessions its really a depression. I made it thru some really bad times but what saved me was a big garden that we planted. I had 100 tomato plants for canning alone. You can take the canned tomatoes, a 1 lb package of ground chopmeat, a 1lb package of macroni, some cheese and some homemade garlic bread and eat great at a cheap cost. I made sure my three small kids ate good that was the number one thing. We went to the super market and purchased the marked down meats too. When you tighten the belt, shop smart we can eat good and cheap too. Not one person said back then to buy american and now all of a sudden its buy american? We were sold out back in '83 with all the imported stuff comming into our country afterall its our fair trade system thats biting us you know where. As the gas prices are going higher we will go deeper into this recession too i believe it will get even worse the next time the bottom drops even lower. Our politicians need to stop arguing amogst themselves and get busy to straighten this out soon. My point is i been there many times in the past. Plant a big garden and grow what you can so your family will eat good while we get thru this. It sucks when we want to work and can't find a job. Godbless, keep the faith, Bill

Meals to eat cheap by;
Take some pepperoni sliced up, some fresh green beans and put them in a pot with tomato sauce and let it simmer till the pepperoni/beansa re tender then serve with garlic bread.

Take 1lb of chopmeat fry it up drain it and put it over 1lb of macroni/cheese mix another quick good meal.

Take a can of baked beans, slice hotdogs like a canoe just one cut. Then stuff them with cheese and put the beans on the bottom with the hotdogs on top and cover it withy bacon. Cook until the bacon is done.

Take a piece of white bread add a slice of cheese, place a hotdog inside it and roll it up in alumimum foil like saltwater taffy curl the twisted ends up in the direction of the opening in the bread. Place in the oven at 375 with the ends up so the cheese won't run out then bake it for 20 to 30 minutes till the dogs are cooked and serve.

There's nothing wrong with tuna melts too? Even the old peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are good too. They bring back memories.
 

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bigbill said:
I think we need a class action law suit against ruger for there poor quality after all we purchased them in good faith as a quality product. Will you trust it when you need to rely on it with your life on the line? Will you think what if every time we pull the trigger? This is not good and we need to band together on this one. I'm like done with rugers. I'll buy the S&W's from now on. Bill

Not sure how you could be in a class action. Have you ever had a problem with your Redhawk?

Good luck with Smiths. You might want to research the Internal Lock Failures with Smith's with new Smiths. Seems that the Lock Flag activates under recoil some times. Seems to be far more common than barrels flying off Redhawks. S&W Forum used to have a thread about it, but after many many pages of posts, where I tracked at least 30 people with ILS failures, the thread was deleted.


Charlie
 

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Leucoandro said:
bigbill said:
I think we need a class action law suit against ruger for there poor quality after all we purchased them in good faith as a quality product. Will you trust it when you need to rely on it with your life on the line? Will you think what if every time we pull the trigger? This is not good and we need to band together on this one. I'm like done with rugers. I'll buy the S&W's from now on. Bill

Not sure how you could be in a class action. Have you ever had a problem with your Redhawk?

Good luck with Smiths. You might want to research the Internal Lock Failures with Smith's with new Smiths. Seems that the Lock Flag activates under recoil some times. Seems to be far more common than barrels flying off Redhawks. S&W Forum used to have a thread about it, but after many many pages of posts, where I tracked at least 30 people with ILS failures, the thread was deleted.


Charlie
I haven't had a problem yet but seeing this its got my attention that anyone of us could have a problem with our redhawks right?
If the numbers go up with the barrels flying off i'm sure a class action lawsuit will follow soon after. If the blow up numbers go higher. It was mentioned that ruger said they don't have this problem too. (deaf ear already) If one of mine blows i'm not going to be happy at all. Plus if the numbers go higher the problem will be even worse than we think. Lets hope that no one gets hurt in the future. Bill
 

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BTW, did anyone look at the slow motion video? I am not a big guy, and my 480 Redhawk has never rolled/recoiled as much as that 44 Mag Redhawk did (even with 400 gr bullets traveling at over 1100 FPS/325 gr bullets traveling at over 1350 FPS). I wonder if it could have been a way overpowered load.


Charlie
 

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bigbill said:
I haven't had a problem yet but seeing this its got my attention that anyone of us could have a problem with our redhawks right?
If the numbers go up with the barrels flying off i'm sure a class action lawsuit will follow soon after. If the blow up numbers go higher. It was mentioned that ruger said they don't have this problem too. (deaf ear already) If one of mine blows i'm not going to be happy at all. Plus if the numbers go higher the problem will be even worse than we think. Lets hope that no one gets hurt in the future. Bill

This is the first time I have heard of this problem (outside of early models loaded on the very top side of acceptable loads) where it might have been the fault of Ruger. All other cases I have seen it ended up that either the bullet manufacturer or the reloader made an error.

The Smith ILS failure is far more common than a redhawk barrel coming off when ammunition is within SAMMI specs.


Charlie
 

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Big Bill, while I cannot speak for other members here, I can say that I am not trying to discredit you nor am I trying to run you off the forums. My point is that to me, the failure rate is so low that it does not concern me. Anything bad can happen to any manufactured piece of equipment. I am not taking it as an anti-Ruger rant so I have no reason to be offended and thus try to retort. I also know that there have been barrel failures on Smiths as well. On that S&W forum you frequent, they have a thread started about a Model 67 having the exact type of barrel failure. And the thread was started late September of 2010. I am sure that Colts also have had barrel failures as well.

As I said, the percentage of failures is far too low to concern me. That does not mean I think you are stupid for how you think. Far from it. Now if the failure rate was much higher, then I would be concerned.
 
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It happens to S&W's as well.

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/156243-model-67-catastrophic-failure.html

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bigbill said:
[...I haven't had a problem yet but seeing this its got my attention that anyone of us could have a problem ... Bill

You think you have grounds for a suit because something imaginary MIGHT happen?

YOU are the kind of person tort-reform is directed against.
YOU are disgusted with USA?
YOU should MOVE. I suggest Sudan. :roll:
 

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resident said:
bigbill said:
[...I haven't had a problem yet but seeing this its got my attention that anyone of us could have a problem ... Bill

You think you have grounds for a suit because something imaginary MIGHT happen?

YOU are the kind of person tort-reform is directed against.
YOU are disgusted with USA?
YOU should MOVE. I suggest Sudan. :roll:

God no, in no way i'm not like that. How did you think up that one? What I mean't to say if there are accidents in numbers then a suit should be considered. I'm not saying it might happen to me but what if we see more and more problems like this? That everyone should band together and do or say something? Bill
 

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This is a little bit of the "sky is falling", there are thousands of Redhawks in circulation that have never given their owners any problems. I have owned Rugers since 1963, have fired uncounted numbers of handloads and have never had a failure with a Ruger.

No matter what manufacture a fire arm, or anything else for that matter, sooner or later something will get by quality control.

The bottom line is that Rugers are good quality fire arms and if for some reason you have a failure, ship it back to Ruger and they will take care of it.
 

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That's what's the matter these days. Everyone is sue crazy want something for nothing. Why do you think we now buy guns with internal locks because of law suits. Ruger is really working with us putting the locks behind the grips and moving the warning lables to the bottom of the bbls. Not loke S&W with the hole in the side of the gun's frame for the key. I have seen 2 cases of the bbl's blowing off redhawks in both no one was hurt in either. Doesn't it seem strange that in both instances they were filming the shot. I don't film my shooting trips. We don't know what loads were used weather factory or reloads. I have been reloading for over 40 years and I haven't had any barrels blow off. But I am careful. and only load within the guidelines. Both being filmed brings up questions on the shooters to me. I think that if no one was hurt there is no reason for a lawsuit. But that's my opinion and the way I was raised. I don't want something for nothing.
 

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Tommy Kelly

Unfortunately you are right, I am not sure why Ruger ended up losing the law suit many years ago that resulted in the transfer bar. I carried one of the old model Rugers for years, and never managed to hurt myself. Those old guns were simpler and seemed more aesthetically pleasing. Colt got by for over 100 years with that lock work.

We don't need all of these safety devices, just to engage our brains once in a while.
 

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Bill,
There isn't a make or model of gun in existence that hasn't had this problem or a similar one at one time or another. If a few rare reports of failure is going to make you panic and run for the hills like this, what brand will you turn to? Any gun can blow up on you at any time! Could be a manufacturing defect. Could be bad ammo. Could be just your time. The reason your rants are falling on deaf ears is that the rest of us realize that there is no perfect gun out there and the Ruger is better than most. Unless you plan to live your life in a bubble under the watchful guard of the staff of the Mayo Clinic while guarded by members of Delta Force, you will experience risk in your life. Get over it.

bigbill said:
Leucoandro said:
bigbill said:
I think we need a class action law suit against ruger for there poor quality after all we purchased them in good faith as a quality product. Will you trust it when you need to rely on it with your life on the line? Will you think what if every time we pull the trigger? This is not good and we need to band together on this one. I'm like done with rugers. I'll buy the S&W's from now on. Bill

Not sure how you could be in a class action. Have you ever had a problem with your Redhawk?

Good luck with Smiths. You might want to research the Internal Lock Failures with Smith's with new Smiths. Seems that the Lock Flag activates under recoil some times. Seems to be far more common than barrels flying off Redhawks. S&W Forum used to have a thread about it, but after many many pages of posts, where I tracked at least 30 people with ILS failures, the thread was deleted.


Charlie
I haven't had a problem yet but seeing this its got my attention that anyone of us could have a problem with our redhawks right?
If the numbers go up with the barrels flying off i'm sure a class action lawsuit will follow soon after. If the blow up numbers go higher. It was mentioned that ruger said they don't have this problem too. (deaf ear already) If one of mine blows i'm not going to be happy at all. Plus if the numbers go higher the problem will be even worse than we think. Lets hope that no one gets hurt in the future. Bill
 
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