Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking going on in this thread from people who have never pinned on a badge and had to do the job. If the officers had not engaged the suspect, and the suspect had then killed an innocent citizen, those same people would be yelling the officers didn't do their job. And America wonders why nobody wants to go into the LE profession anymore..
Police shooting input...
- Thread starter BULL'S-EYE
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Cops have no duty to retreat. What they DO have though, are responsibilities that most other people will never understand.....As for your apparent concern that the suspect "had a gun", they both had a gun. One was just more willing than the other, that's all. And like I said earlier...somebody points a gun at me in that sort of a circumstance, their gonna get shot too. A lot.
So no, you are wrong. That cop in the video did fine. And I'll say one more thing about that....Better one cop like him show up to stop a dangerous situation than a whole herd of cowards like showed up down in Texas awhile back and did nothing but stand around while listening to them school kids being gunned down....Point there is, ya can't have it both ways.
DGW
badkarma
Bearcat
Great point DGW… remember how everyone in the media labeled those cops as worthless cowards (rightly so in my opinion.) immediately… it seems that as far as the media is concerned, police are either cowards hiding behind a badge or thrill seeking killers hiding behind a badge. It's disgusting how seldom they rightly identify the real evildoers… pick up a gun and threaten people and you have taken the first step towards forfeiting your life.
Every police shooting I have read detailed reports always has room for improvement. My use of force incidents always had some things that could be improved before the next time. After all we are human, we will make mistakes. We hope those mistakes are not big ones that cause undo harm to oneself or others.
Some people just hate the police no matter what. Many others don't know good police work when they see it.
I took an oath to not shirk by duty, not be a coward etc etc.
Police don't have the luxury of backing down. Yeah, some do and should be fired. Basically, that means don't give up ground you took. Common language used is we need to run to trouble when others will run away. Why? no one else will in most cases. We shouldn't run to our deaths. What's that mean, use caution and sound tactics even when facing a deadly encounter. Adapt and overcome.
To those who hate the police, if you get your way, it will be the military patrolling the streets. Yeah that work out, right. (not)
Some people just hate the police no matter what. Many others don't know good police work when they see it.
I took an oath to not shirk by duty, not be a coward etc etc.
Police don't have the luxury of backing down. Yeah, some do and should be fired. Basically, that means don't give up ground you took. Common language used is we need to run to trouble when others will run away. Why? no one else will in most cases. We shouldn't run to our deaths. What's that mean, use caution and sound tactics even when facing a deadly encounter. Adapt and overcome.
To those who hate the police, if you get your way, it will be the military patrolling the streets. Yeah that work out, right. (not)
I have always been taught 2 things. Only fire if a life is threatened. And keep firing until said threat is neutralized. End of story.
the one question I have is who took the video of this event... that is a pretty good video and that is the real unusual part.
XUSNORDIE
Single-Sixer
Doorbell cam
TULLYMARS
Single-Sixer
I'm the proud owner of post #4. All I did was comment on the 16 sec. video. The back story had nothing to do with my response.The video showed a man on his porch being killed by a cop.
like i said in my reply. my comments where based on watching and listening to the video several times and only on that information,
most of you bring up that the guy raised his gun at the cop , the dead man only raised his gun after or as the cop is yelling Hands Up for the first time which happened at the 7 second mark in the video and the cop starts shooting as soon as ( he the cop yells) hands up a 2nd time , which was only 1 second later and all the shots are fired by the 11 second mark ,,
the cop is actually yelling hands up as he's shooting the guy , the cop never yells drop the gun or get down or anything else along those lines
so you guys think that a 1 second to 1 1/2 second time frame is long enough to realize what the cop is saying and react to it ?
most of you bring up that the guy raised his gun at the cop , the dead man only raised his gun after or as the cop is yelling Hands Up for the first time which happened at the 7 second mark in the video and the cop starts shooting as soon as ( he the cop yells) hands up a 2nd time , which was only 1 second later and all the shots are fired by the 11 second mark ,,
the cop is actually yelling hands up as he's shooting the guy , the cop never yells drop the gun or get down or anything else along those lines
so you guys think that a 1 second to 1 1/2 second time frame is long enough to realize what the cop is saying and react to it ?
UNLESS you ride a bicycle
Sorry I had to put that in there.
XUSNORDIE
Single-Sixer
Which included your mindset and projection of all LEOs from a 16 sec video...thanks for substantiating that. Really wasn't needed though. But hey its America and you are entitled to your way of thinking.
Busterswoodshop
Buckeye
I'm not giving an opinion here , but it looks to me like , this is not that cops first time around the block.
Maybe the guy will get a statue like George Floyd. I have a feeling he was a frequent flyer with many interactions with the police
Bob Wright
Hawkeye
The really sad thing to me is that is is seemingly against the law to interfere with criminal activity.
Bob Wright
Bob Wright
XUSNORDIE
Single-Sixer
The saddest thing to me is that some folks are so quick to blame the LEO and then broad brush all LEOs when they see something like this without doing due diligence to research a bit.....very sad indeed...but it shows that even on a firearms forum not all are "like minded"....very sad/scary indeed.
BULL'S-EYE
Buckeye
Definitely not. The departed had quite a lengthy rap sheet, and was 2 weeks out of jail for domestic abuse. He was also in illegal possession of the firearm that he was clearly in the process of pointing towards the officer.
Definitely sainthood material...
XUSNORDIE
Single-Sixer
Some folks think so, and some think the LEO is the devil, even some on this forum......"holy" smokes.....
TULLYMARS
Single-Sixer
Again, refer back to post #28.
